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Pungyo
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 Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: By the way... |
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By the way... the Assassin was played by Zhang Fengyi (loved those bells in his hair) and the Emperor was played by Li Xuejian. Also excellent actors! Plus, Gong Li was as ravishingly beautiful as usual.
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: 2046 is the best of his acting expression at the moment ... |
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Although I was overwhelmed by the film called Ba Wang bie ji (Farewell my concubuine - 覇王別姫）by the director Kaige Chen (チェンカイコー監督)
played by Leslie ...Fengy Zhang...(I would like to watch Emperor by the same director..by the way), I am not specially interested in urging or expecting Tony to play in his films since there is, for me, the Chow in 2046 or police 663 in the films by WKW or City of Sadness by the director Hou Hsiao Hsien or any other films such as Three Summers or Colours of Sounds are very much magnificent enough to overwhelmed me by Tony's excellence and dignity with his delicate spiritual emotions with his deep poignancy and joy in love - humanely with his colourful diverse ways of expressions, as the film Ba Wang bie ji or Taxi driver are.
I strongly believe that the quality of the actor cannot be defined or determined by the class or scale or quality or name-value of the director nor the scale? of the character or role of the film...?
If Tony is convinced enough by the role and script to let him to play the role....he will go for the script and role with any directors - I mean ANY.
But if not, as Tony wrote and post in this site, Tony just does not go for it.
That is it. I think.
So, if Chen Kaige (i could not read and pronounce his name as it was different from the one i do in japanese by the way..) might bring such role and script to Tony, it might happen.
I like Chen Kaico when I watched Ju Du （菊豆）with Gong Li...... The film was utterly vividly expressed the plights in very static beautiful compositions and directions with her, Gong Li's delicate expressions of drowning and staying at the bottom of helplessness...even with strong will to resist...her within.
I have been loving films... watching films and thinking/reviewing/writing about films since I was young child..... Not all films can stimulate thoughts but some films, directors and off course actors trigger me to deepen my souls or thinking or joy of analysis of the films..or contact And...Tony Leung is one of the very best amongst such improvisational actors... leading audience to reach something deeper of the theme of the films with his overwhelming excellence of acting expression, as I wrote before several times in this site or elsewhere.
My favourite directors are...
WKW(ALL his films except one which I have NOT watched yet), Soderbergh(many), Wim Wenders (many Alice in cities, In Wieter Ferne, so nah! - Faraway so Close!, Until the end of the world), Ken Loach(rif-raf, song of karra..etc many), Tom Robins (scissor hands), Tim Robins (Bob Roberts) John Sales(city of hope etc many), Cameron Crow(singles, almost famous), Robert Altman(short cuts, wedding and MASH), Jim Jarrmush(strangers in paradise, alian on the planet ... ghost dogs..)...Hal Hartley・・(forgot the tile..)Abbas Kiarostami(where's friends' house?etc..) and Martin Scosessi (many, esepcially Casino, Aviator, Taxi Driver, Gangs of NY or many..although I have not seen Raging Bull though ) ...Philip de broca(le jardin des plantes)...Emir Kusturica...(Underground...Arisona dream) ...Yoshimitsu Morita(それから、のようなもの、家族ゲーム）..., Almodovar (Atame, All about my mother..., Gas Van Santo (Drug Store Cowboy, My own private Idaho..To die for...etc),kaneto shindou, satsuo yamamoto, seijun suzuki and nakata(ring1), hirayama,
Alex Cox.. Buz Lamarman...Spilberg.. ….well…. quentine tarantino…although I have not watched kill bill at all.
cannot write all my love to films ... endless..
I just wondered... If Alex cox, the director of Walker, directs Tony... or how about Jim Jarmush..?
how about Vim Wenders? or Soderbergh...
Love Tony
Love to watch any Tony in any films by any directors...cause
he is really enhancing and developing of the possiblity of love and excellence of expressions in films with all, literaly i think, of Tony
Since, as died already, but I have watched many his film since I was junior high, Akira Kurosaw..is also my favorite director as well（七人の侍、生きる、影武者等）
in terms of the exquisite composition of the photography and the dynamics of story lines with his vivid and very sharp directing.
I wonder if ...how were Tony in Ferrini ?
Or...how were Tony in Godar?
I dont mind and care who direct Tony since Tony is Tony always
and showed and deliveres his very best in any films.
And especially Tony proved the (his) possibility of love and expression in film acting in 2046 that I strongly believe.
although I just wondered if Tony was cor-played with Marchero..a bit.. 
Well, I can still expect Tony to cor-play, if Tony wants to do so, with any directors and actors...in many films...that is quite gorgeous, isnt it?
But anyway, Tony is Tony that is gorogeous and excellence enough to deserve to watch any films since Tony just cannot fail to express every human natures with all of Tony with Tony's exquisite excellence in himself and his acting.
Tony expresses himself through movies that is something to worth of excellence and magnificent, very much...not because of any combinations with directors/co-stars or roles which Tony plays that I believe.
Goodday DEAREST TONY LOVE
and goodday or goodnight all
7thclouds(mari t)
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:51 am Post subject: dry humour because of his cleverness in tony |
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Humour expressions in Tony-
Tony also cannot fails to deliver his excellence in his light stinge humours ... i like his very dry houour in the film called Dctor Mack by my favorite director Chi-Ngai Lee ... although it might not be categorised as a comedy film..
Xing nan Xiong nan di (he's aint heavy, he's my brother) is also reflected Tony's humouristic expression and nature, i think.
Also i like his dry but decent humours and light stingness with some subdued feelings in tokyo raiders... 
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: |
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7thclouds,
When I say this, I'm supposing I'm speaking on the behalf of myself and Pungyo (correct me if I'm wrong, Pungyo) but these were just suggestions we are throwing out as amusing ourselves as we are enjoy films and hold fantasies for Tony to work with directors of our likings. I do agree with you that Tony should chose his roles carefully and should do it only if he likes the script and character role.
There is no denying that Tony is an extraordinary actor. I have to say, though, that acting is not the only specific, noticeable item in a film. Scriptwriting and direction, especially, cinematography is just as important as acting as a whole. Take Chris Doyle, for instance - his work is just as well-renouned and important as Tony's acting in films like "In the Mood for Love" and "2046." Wong Kar-wai is another great example into the development of Tony's acting, as he is his own scriptwriter for his films. It all determines on the whole production process of the film. Thus, I do think that directors do play a big role in an actor's great performance. That is just my humble opinion and my blabbering.
7thclouds, I'm not sure if I got away from your thesis. But those were my sentiments and I'm glad we're on the topic of films since I adore talking about them!
And Pungyo, thanks for the information about "Emperor and the Assassin" - I never knew Chen Kaige was in his own film! How interesting! |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 2:54 am Post subject: :) |
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Zen, hi.. I am not opposing to the joy of imagining any favorite combinations or coupling between directors and Tony.... as I imagined such combination between directors and Tony in MY post as well, you see?...in fact
I wrote in my very recent last post before your last post in this thread...
| Quote: | I just wondered... If Alex cox, the director of Walker, directs Tony... or how about Jim Jarmush..?
how about Vim Wenders? or Soderbergh...
Love Tony
Love to watch any Tony in any films by any directors...cause
he is really enhancing and developing of the possiblity of love and excellence of expressions in films with all, literaly i think, of Tony |
See?
On the top of that, what I wanted to make sure was, in case,
that any scale or name of the roles or directors are not determinants of the quality of Tony's acting or any quality of actings...that i thought.
Also im quite conscious about the quality of all other stuffs in making films such as photography as well as the quality of script etc always...
for instance, I quote my old post about 2046...
http://www.tonyleung.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17890&highlight=#17890
I wrote in my old post in this site...
| Quote: | And the well-improvisational rhythms – like a tune by Coltrane Supreme Love- the serene strong beliefs in WKW's direction, as always,
the ache strolling CD's photographing,
as well as the WC's well-sting production design,
and music - esp such a great beautiful shadow and hope
in the score by Umebayahi,
...have been exquisitely sticking to their idea to tell
that is. off-course, spiritually all together well-harmonised with Tony Leung and the all other casts and stuffs. |
I actually always admired Chris Doyle's work or all works in Tony's films directed by WKW.... especailly I was stunned by Christpher Doyle since 1994 when i firstly watched Chong qing sen Li (shangin express) and admired his works always as well...
And I wrote my very recent post before your post in this thread
| Quote: | I strongly believe that the quality of the actor cannot be defined or determined by the class or scale or quality or name-value of the director nor the scale? of the character or role of the film...?
If Tony is convinced enough by the role and script to let him to play the role....he will go for the script and role with any directors - I mean ANY.
But if not, as Tony wrote and post in this site, Tony just does not go for it.
That is it. I think. |
Off course, as you see, needless to say!!!!!!, as I wrote in my last post and my old posts, script and all factors are something which inter-act with Tony's expressions.
In fact, I wrote about the importance of scripts and directors too in my last post, as you SEE
I wrote Tony will show in any directors films if Tony was convinced by the quality of the script and the roles.
I never said that directors or any factors are not important in making films.
That couplings between Tony and directors or stuffs are something like improvisational...and equal...between jazz players...
Nevetheless, the names of directors are not any determinants of the quality of the films. I wondered the coupling of between Tony and Kaige Chen might be good only if Tony was convinced by the project...
but not because of the name of Kaige Chen at least... even I believe that Tony respect any film workers including the director Kaige Chen (and please do not forget that I also likes Kaige Chen's film as well)
On the top of that,
Everything depends on, even with Kaige Chen or EVEN with WKW I guess  , if Tony is convinced by the script and the role in the film or the project.
There, then, I wonder still there is any foundamental conflicts between you and me??, I suppose, no.
goodnight...all
dearest tony love
7thclouds(mari t)
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
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7thclouds,
I'm not sure if you're misinterpreting what I'm saying or that I'm not clear with what your trying to say. It seems to me, it could be my mistake nevertheless, that you are suggesting that Tony's acting is not determined by the big names of certain directors? I would take in consideration that directors have different fashions and methods of preparing the same article in terms of style, expectations, and standards.
I disagree with you stating that you enjoy all of Tony's films, as I think there are several that he's done that have not done justice to his abilities. In my preference, I did not like "Seoul Raiders" or "Love Me, Love My Money" as I thought that the films, particularly the last one I mentioned, were disorganized and messy. But I guess that all determines in personal preference.
And I also disagree that directors aren't the determining factors of the quality of the films - I think many good directors have a signature style, or motifs, they bring up in their films which is recognizable to the audience. Take Kurosawa, for example. His films touch on many topics such as loyalty, humanism, etc. with his longtime muse (I fail to remember his name). Even Wong Kar-wai has a signature style in many of his films, such as a reoccuring music piece, certain color settings, etc.
7thclouds, I'm not sure what exactly your thesis or your message is? It seems to me that you are saying something but given exceptions along the topic? Forgive me, as my mind is on a lit paper. But, no, we didn't have any fundamental conflicts to begin with! Just a scholarly talk...I guess. Whatever you call this blabbering!   |
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: please appreciate the differences of the meaning... |
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Hi zen again....
Aaaa.......Please could you read my posts in detail?
Firstly,
Could you please see in my old post/review
about Soul aiders...
http://www.tonyleung.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2946
That review is quite critical about the movie in a way although still I can find quality of Tony's expressions and acting that cannot fail to extract and reflects of human natures...
but zen wrote
| Quote: | | I disagree with you stating that you enjoy all of Tony's films, as I think there are several that he's done that have not done justice to his abilities |
then i wondered....strange... because in my any posts, i NEVER wrote that I enjoy all of Tony's films...
What I wrote was I appreciate Tony's expressions in any of films but I have never said that I enjoy all of Tony's films.
Could zen appreciate the differences of the meanings, please?
Also,
As I wrote again again again.....
I already wrote in my OLD POSTS, script and all factors are important (Could you see my old posts and the recent post i quoted my old posts...please?)
Point is...
The first message in this thread was started from like this...
| Quote: | | I have always wanted to see Tony playing an extraordinary, unprecedented character in an extraordinary movie |
And I had some doubts to the point of view which regarded, seemingly, the possibility of Tony's achievements in flims depends on the scale of movie... or characters ., right? (also there is still further space of doubts about what "extraordinary movie or characters" meant...though)
And what I meant was that if Tony is convinced by any scripts by any directors, Tony will play his roles since, as I wrote all the time already, script is something which important as well as all other factors.
However, the scales of the roles or the name of directors would not be necessary determinants of the quality of Tony's acting...
In fact, with WKW or HHH or Chi-Ngai Lee, Trai An Yun in Cyclo etc..or other directors in Three Summers or Sound of Colour and so on, in many diverse scales of movies, different characters and with different directors,
Tony has expressed his excellence and quality in any roles - no matter how the scales of movies, names of the directors and the scale of the characters are!
see?
PLEASE READ MY POSTS IN DETAILS, could zen please....;
I wrote...
| Quote: | | I strongly believe that the quality of the actor cannot be defined or determined by the class or scale or quality or name-value of the director nor the scale |
but zen seemed to be confused or missed the point
zen wrote with some misunderstanding i guess...
| Quote: | | I also disagree that directors aren't the determining factors of the quality of the films |
and according to zen's post, zen seemed AS IF I don't care about any of facoters from directions or other any film making facoters regardless my posts that I have mentioned about the importance of many factors in film making... as I quoted my posts in my last post for zen...
I still cannot find any reason why and what zen tried to make any points between you, zen and me, 7thclouds...
Please read my posts closely...could you?
I WONDER zen misunderstands the differences between the meaning of the scale/name of role and directors
and
the meaning/importance of directing or other factors...
the scale and name of directors and role - which are nothing to Tony who loves to play in convincing script and cares about only the quality of script or project and other factors
On the other hand, the meaning of the direction or other factors in film making are important for all...
and I HAVE NEVER denied that the meaning of direction or any other factors as I have written in my writings already and in my old posts as well...as i quoted in my recent posts in this thread even.
But somehow, zen have tried to express her disagree? about something which I never denied all in my life...and something which zen kep misunderstanding..
I wonder why...
Anyway, I hope zen would recognise and see the point I made and what I never denied and what I opposed...
I think what intevines zen to understand was:
zen seemed to have kept misunderstanding in regarding AS IF I always admire Tony or Tony's films regardless the direction or scripts...
despite the fact that I have always critically analyzed and reviewed the depth of the meaning of the films, including Tony's films, through many factors.
I also review any films equally regardless the name/scale of the directions or script writers or actors\actresses...
At the same time, I have fully appreciated and tasted the styles of quite many directors. scripts or photographers as well as actors\actresses [b]ALWAYS[/b].
Could zen please understand the differences of the meaning...?
I don't care about the former reputation/name/scale of the directors/script writers/movie budget or actors\actresses
but off course I always do appreciate and taste the excellence, styles and quality of the acting, direction, photographing or any factors of the films more than anyone else in this world!
Logically, both are different, please understand the differences.
What I watch/feel, appreciate/taste in flims ARE the meaning/feeling/the tempratures and delicate splendidty and shades etc in the movies - off course, through acting, directing, photographing, or art directing or composing or music playing..
On the other hand,
what I do NOT watch in films are
the names/reputation of direcors/script writers/actors or actresses...or the scale of characters or the scale of budget
even I have fully apppreciated many different diverse tastes and styles of many directors/photographers/script writers/actors and actresses.
Hope zen would understand...the differences of both
Goodnight Dearest Tony Love
and all
7thclouds(mari t)
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: Hello again |
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We all know how talented Tony is... no question about it. I believe that the director brings out the best in the actor, though... so if Tony works with certain directors, they may be able to bring out the best in him. A good director enhances the actor's abilities... (just like the make up artist brings out the best in their looks!)
What I think 7thclouds is saying is that Tony has the power to choose the scripts and projects he wants to work on... what HE feels would bring out the best in him. Which is true, too... Tony is a very intelligent and talented professional. I'm sure he knows what a great script looks like.
With all of that said, I feel it's the combined efforts of all cast and crew to make a great film. But, I still love ALL of Tony's films... even if it has a mediocre script... Gosh, he's awful pretty to look at! Ha!
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and Zen... yes, we were just amusing ourselves with thoughts. Playing the "What if..." game so to speak.
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:42 am Post subject: :) |
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thanks
....and also there is\was no opposing towards what if ...(as i did in my posts as well about director alex cox etc..as well..)off course.
I enjoy all of Tony's expressions in all tony's films that are worth to appreciate in terms of Tony's exquisite excellence that enhance and develop the possibility of the film acting itself furthermore
although not all films in which Tony played are my favourite films...as I already wrote .
goodnight zen and goodday pungyo and all...
goodnight dearest tony love
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 10:00 am Post subject: |
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You're such a sweetheart, 7thclouds!
Sweet dreams.
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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7thclouds, as I've already stated I wasn't sure what you were pinpointing at as you seem to distract yourself from your context. But all is understood. And I don't really keep up with who says what as I am usually on and off in this forum so I don't have the effort to re-read what everyone says. So in all cases, there is no need to sound defensive and I have clearly stated redundantly that the mistake may be on my behalf. Whether misunderstandings or personal opinions or assumptions may seemed to erupt, I think it's alright to drop the subject.
Afterall, this was for silly fun! |
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